The Limits of Thought: Discussions between J. Krishnamurti and David Bohm
David Bohm, J. Krishnamurti
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The Limits of Thought is a series of penetrating dialogues between the great spiritual leader, J. Krishnamurti and the renowned physicist, David Bohm.
The starting point of their engaging exchange is the question: If truth is something different than reality, then what place has action in daily life in relation to truth and reality? We see Bohm and Krishnamurti explore the nature of consciousness and the condition of humanity. These enlightening dialogues address issues of truth, desire awareness, tradition, and love.
Limits of Thought is an important book by two very respected and important thinkers. Anyone interested to see how Krishnamurti and Bohm probe some of the most essential questions of our very existence will be drawn to this great work.
therefore it is not consciousness as we know it? DAVID BOHM: Will it still be consciousness, then? KRISHNAMURTI: That’s it. DAVID BOHM: Well, would it? KRISHNAMURTI: No, it wouldn’t. I say that consciousness as we know it is its content, it is the movement—wide or narrow—of thought. In nothingness there is no movement at all. But it has its own movement as energy—whatever it is—which then can operate in the field of reality. DAVID BOHM: We have to clarify what you say, because you say ‘it
DAVID BOHM: Or even that it sees anything. KRISHNAMURTI: Does it happen, sir, that when there is total perception, that perception having no movement of thought, time, and so on, the mind uses thought only when necessary—and otherwise it’s empty? DAVID BOHM: I wonder if we could put it differently. Such a mind, when it uses thought, realizes that it is thought, it never supposes it’s not thought. KRISHNAMURTI: That’s right. It realizes that it is thought and nothing else. DAVID BOHM: If it is
involve our whole being. KRISHNAMURTI: No, of course not. DAVID BOHM: And therefore the insight will be inadequate. KRISHNAMURTI: Yes, it’s like being tied to something, to a belief, to a person, an idea, some habit, some experience. That inevitably must create disorder, because being tied implies dependence, the escape from one’s own loneliness, fear. Now total insight into that attachment clears it all away. DAVID BOHM: Yes. I think we are saying that the self is a centre creating darkness
begin to produce a problem. KRISHNAMURTI: Of course, when we’re not looking at it, it’s going on. DAVID BOHM: Yes, it’s going on, but then we have to say that that’s part of the field of reality; we accept the field of reality as operating. KRISHNAMURTI: Yes. Sir, you live in truth and your actions in reality are guided by intelligence. And I as an observer observe you, the observed—as two different entities—and I want to find out how to live in a sane way, which means to have no
Because if it is something unique to you, then I’ve no interest. DAVID BOHM: Yes, it can’t be unique or it won’t be true. KRISHNAMURTI: That’s just it. So how am I—not how as a method—how is one to get that thing? I want to live the way you do. I see that I can’t imitate you, you’re not my example, but there must be that same perfume in me as you have. You follow, sir? From your discussion I am beginning to understand the field of reality and truth, which is the seeing of what is. The seeing